CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity?

Ever since Hillary endorsed Barack on June 7th, much has been made on this site and others about the newfound unity among Democrats to combat John McCain and the Republicans. Yet, according to a new CNN poll (pdf), it appears that in the month since existing the race, Hillary has actually garnered more among Democrats as a whole than she had before she left. The numbers among Hillary supporters are even more stark. Last month, 60% of Hillary supporters said they would back Obama if he was the nominee. Now that number has dropped to 54%. At the same time, the Hillary supporters who say they won't vote for either Barack Obama or John McCain has gone from 22% to 32%. This poll may explain why Obama has yet to establish more than a 5% lead over McCain, even though the generic Democrat beats the generic Republican by 20%.

If Hillary Clinton were still running for president, who would you rather see the Democratic party
choose as its nominee?

   * Barack Obama 54% (59%)
    * Hillary Clinton 43% (35%)

(Among Hillary Clinton supporters) Now that Barack Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee, who is your choice for president?

   * Barack Obama 54% (60%)
    * John McCain 10% (17%)
    * Would Not Vote 32% (22%)

Survey of 431 registered Democrats was conducted June 26-29. Results from the poll conducted June 4-5 are in parentheses.




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the primary is over. (2.00 / 4)

what's you point?  

do you have any commentary or analysis of this?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 10:53:04 PM EST

Re: the primary is over. (2.00 / 1)

I do. By November, these numbers will move in Obama's favor, not McCain's, as he pulls into the home stretch. Even if he only gets half these numbers back, that's a BIG deal, and you know that a lot of these numbers are in places where he is currently weak.

If our problem is that he's losing more Democrats than McCain is losing Republicans, I have no problem with that. That gets fixed with time. I've seen plenty of people move onto this side that I NEVER thought I'd see, and it keeps moving in that direction. If he names someone as VP that Clinton supporters like, he'll do even better. It's all good.


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by vcalzone on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 10:59:28 PM EST
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YES EVERYONE!!!!!!!! (2.00 / 1)

JohnHarrietChristianMcCain is letting us all know what kind of diary we need.

parody trolls are so april-may.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 10:55:12 PM EST

Re: YES EVERYONE!!!!!!!! (2.00 / 2)

I'm not sure what is going on here w/ these visceral reactions to real life facts. Did the diarist create the poll or did the poll create the diary?

Why are you irked at the diarist? would you prefer we hide under a rock and be ill informed?


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 11:17:25 AM EST
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Re:CNN trolling for Repubs (none / 0)

This whole 'result' is a set up, it was set for 'release' on the Friday News Dump to do exactly what it's doing right now. I kid you not.

I went to the file and it said right on front, set to 'release' on Friday, July, 4th at 4 pm. The typical 'Friday' dump time.

So, this is the 'bait' and it's doing exactly what the Republicans have hoped for.

Good job--LOL!!!


by Wary on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 11:59:25 AM EST
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Re:CNN trolling for Repubs (2.00 / 1)

were those republicans aswering the questions in the poll?


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:01:21 PM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (1.50 / 6)

Good, this is what I was hoping for.


by bsavage on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 11:14:37 PM EST

Yeah, more war and back-alley abortions! (1.85 / 7)

That'll be awesome! Sure is good to see these poll numbers, huh?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 11:24:57 PM EST
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Uprated to offset inappropriate TR. (2.00 / 4)

Please remove the rating in question, bsavage.


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by mistersite on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:16:39 AM EST
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Re: Uprated to offset inappropriate TR. (2.00 / 2)

Another one I'll not be holding my breath for.


by Kysen on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:23:51 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 3)

Me too.  I mean, he's holding a 5-10 point national lead in most polls with only 54% of Democrats?  Imagine what will happen once we (and yes, that means you too, if you're calling yourself a Democrat) get more people, including Democrats, excited about our nominee... we'll win by a much larger percentage.

Or were you implying that you want the Democratic nominee to lose?


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by mistersite on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 11:59:15 PM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 2)

This doesn't seem particularly surprising as Obama has disappointed some Democrats recently with his FISA stance and comments he's made about the faith-based initiatives.
It's somewhat telling that the diarist chose to ignore the positive point that McCain's #'s amongst Hillary supporters has dropped by 7% down to 10%.
If we're still looking at these #'s in 2 months, then I'll be worried.  Until then, meh.
by bottl4 on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 11:37:26 PM EST

I expect come August (1.83 / 6)

Obama's support will be waning.

Maybe, just maybe, enough delegates will ask -- do we really want a guy who appears to have no consistent policies?


by strongerthandirt on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 11:40:15 PM EST

Re: I expect come August (none / 0)

You're buying a lot of Republican spin.


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by politicsmatters on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 09:56:41 AM EST
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Where does it say (none / 0)

in this poll that a generic Democrat would defeat a generic Republican by twenty points?  The generic advantage from Rasmussen is twelve points.

I agree that Obama is ahead by 5-6 points on average, which is pretty much the margin that Clinton defeated Bush by in 1992; that's he's only getting around 75-80% support from dems suggests that McCain is only getting around 85% from Republicans or Obama has quite an advantage among independents.


by Blazers Edge on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 11:50:23 PM EST

Re: Where does it say (2.00 / 1)

Yes but, the percentages always tighten up close to the actual election.  There is not much room now at 5 or 6 points for it to tighten futher.  Nevertheless, the polls will change a hundred times before the GE.  It would be nice if there was a larger difference between the two and I see it as a concern that there isn't, too.


by Scotch on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:14:13 AM EST
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I agree Scotch (none / 0)

Obama should be up around the 9-11 point range, rather than the 5-6 point range.  I don't think it has been mentioned enough how terrible a candidate John McCain has been since he locked up his party's nomination; he couldn't gain a point on either Obama or Clinton during the last four months, despite leading by both of them by almost double digits according to Rasmussen and Gallup at the height of the Wright controversy.

I thought the John McCain who delivered his post-Wisconsin speech was going to be one tough customer for both candidates; that speech that Mark Salter wrote for him was badass, a perfect hitpiece on Obama.  Since then, it seems as if McCain and Salter have taken an extended nap or one really long dump.  


by Blazers Edge on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:22:07 AM EST
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Re: I agree Scotch (2.00 / 2)

It seems that he has just dumped his old campaign manager, and a new one has appeared.  The new one is from Bush's old campaign group.  I guess Bush was supposed to have run an excellent campaign, even though I didn't see the excellency in it.  However, the new guy is someone from the rove era.  We will have to see how it goes now.  I thought McCain was dead in the water months back, but somehow he made a comeback.  Almost like the movie, Halloween.  McCain was almost catatonic, and almost surely dead, and then he reappeared and won.  Shit happens.


by Scotch on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:31:36 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 3)

Well at least McCain voting has gone down.  I don't have a problem with people choosing to do all kinds of things, including not voting, but actually voting FOR McCain is going too far.


by Scotch on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:08:33 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 5)

I can understand not voting.
Voting down-ticket.
Writing in Hillary.
I may not like it...but, I can understand it.

Voting for McCain?
If one was ever truly a Clinton supporter...the notion is absolutely, completely, utterly illogical.
I flat cannot, and will not, understand such 'nose in spite of face' 'face in spite of head' behavior.
I cannot begin to imagine how galled Hillary must be knowing that there will be votes for McCain in 'support' of her.

That being said.....I agree that it is heartening to see that the number of those threatening to vote for McCain has dropped.


by Kysen on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:22:37 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 1)

Its mostly the older dems, I'd wager, who have seen McCain poke his finger in Bush's eyes so many times that...well, face it......  

John McCain, like him or not, has MANY TIMES worked with democrats to get legislation passed that most rethugs opposed.

10 percent sounds about right to me.


I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?
by William Cooper on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 07:06:40 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 2)

Exactamundo!!

(yer on a roll!)

;)


by Kysen on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:12:04 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 2)

Dagnammit!
This was supposed to be in reply to Scotch.

Note to self: Preview is your friend.

;)


by Kysen on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:13:00 AM EST
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This is not bad news (none / 0)

The number of Hillary voters going to McCain has gone DOWN by 7 points. Only 10% of Hillary voters cross over to McCain. That amounts to about 5% of all Democrats. 11% of Democrats in 2004 voted for Bush.

Those who say they aren't voting at all can be persuaded to vote in the end. In fact, they almost certainly will be.


by elrod on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:15:58 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 2)

Obama will win with a coalition never seen before, which will leave out in the cold extremeist on the fringes of both Parties. This is a highly desireable outcome, imho, and speaks to the genius of Obama's new politics.

I'm not a big fan of wackiness after almost 8 years of insanity. I don't care which side of the spectrum the wacky comes from - I just don't want any at all.


by xdem on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 01:02:21 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

"Obama will win with a coalition never seen before, which will leave out in the cold extremeist on the fringes of both Parties. This is a highly desireable outcome, imho, and speaks to the genius of Obama's new politics."

You clearly doesn't understand politics. After all the economic problems that have happened in 2008 alone, Obama should be up by 10 points. Not only that McCain had run a pitiful campaign, yet he is still within the margin of error or very close to it. WHAT NEW POLITICS? At best he is a poor man's Bill Clinton.


by tigershark on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 01:40:31 AM EST
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Damn... (none / 0)

The comment below this one was meant as a response to you.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 02:59:28 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 1)

This whole "he should be winning by XX points" argument always gets me.  In 2004, Bush got 51% of the vote.  I almost believe that, if it was possible for him to run for a third term, he would at least be hovering in the low 40's right now, and I would probably give him 45% odds of ultimately winning reelection.  And, people like McCain better than Bush.  

The days of large-scale, Reaganesque blowouts are over.  I don't even think it's possible to approach Bill Clinton's victory over Dole in today's environment.  Fox News and talk radio keep slightly less than half of voters loyal to the Republican brand, even if they don't like the particular candidate that the Republicans field.  And, because McCain isn't Bush, Republicans dissatisfied with Bush can at least hope that McCain would be different.  

I know it's fun to throw out imaginary numbers to show how well the nominee would be doing if he followed your advice, but if so perhaps you could put forward a plausible scenario in which all of these hypothetical votes would materialize.  


by rfahey22 on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 03:44:55 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

At this point in 1992, Bill Clinton was in THIRD place.


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by politicsmatters on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 09:58:05 AM EST
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Bill was still polling poorly (2.00 / 1)

at this point back in '92. Polls don't mean much right now, but if you want to put faith in them, remember that Obama is doing better than Bill was.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 02:58:28 AM EST

what Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

Hillary without campaigning got more - I don't see unity here.
Obama with Hillary support got less  - I don't see unity here either...
And McCain without doing anything getting some Hillary voters?
And 32% of Hillary supporters will not vote at all - I don't see unity here again.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 06:56:33 AM EST

Re: what Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

See original article here:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/07/04/clinton-supporters-still-not-emb racing-obama-poll-says/
"close to a third say they will stay home. In all, only 54 percent of Clinton backers say they plan on voting for Obama"!
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 07:06:13 AM EST
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The puzzle is simple (none / 0)

Sen. Obama has been giving indications that he will not pick Sen Clinton as running mate; hence the ``disunity''. Yes, who Sen Obama will pick as the VP nominee (and probably more importantly when) ma turn out to be a crucial factor in determining the outcome of the election.


by ann0nymous on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 08:01:37 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (2.00 / 1)

This poll, for the most part, simply reenforces others now out which suggests that Obama is getting the support of approx. 85% of Dems.  Here's the math: 42% of 43% = 18% (and I'm suspicious of the the second tier of figures, btw, because the poll is approx. 200 voters, and that's a piddly sample if you're talking about a national poll, which the pollster recognizes, btw, by acknowledging that the MoE is over 7%).

In real terms, we're probably talking about 15% of Dems (approx. 1/3rd of those who supported Clinton).  Also have some problems w/ cause and effect, btw, because it's routine for major-party candidates to lose approx. 10% to crossovers, it's a pretty safe bet that no one who supported Obama in the primaries will fall into this group, and so we're left w/ this obvious caveat: Dem defectors, of course, will be those who voted for the other candidate in the primaries (if Clinton had gotten the nom we'd have the same phenomenon).

Since Obama ended the primary with as many as 2/3rds of Clinton's supporters saying they might vote for McCain, stay home, or didn't know, this represents obvious progress in one month.  My prediction, btw, is that Obama will get approx. 85% of Dems, but the other 15% are irreconcilables (though the great news from this poll, clearly, is that only 1 in 4 would vote for McCain).

If Clinton had gotten the nom, btw, polls showed her getting 85% as well (but the irreconcilables, in that hypothetical, were a different group of voters, and we'll never know how that would have played out).

Lastly, McCain has his own party unity problems which haven't gotten nearly the same attention (he's going to lose 8-15% of the GOP rank and file to crossovers and people staying home, and Obama right now is doing well among indies (and there are more of them than Dems who voted for Clinton, period).

Hope all the Dems turn out for the Democratic ticket this fall, but taking a Doris Day "que sera sera" attitude about it (though it has reduced my enjoyment of this website, think a large % of posters here, basically, are like Boston Red Sox fans who saw the Yankees win the pennant).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 09:06:35 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

I was a Deaniac last cycle and one of the reasons why Dean this cycle (as head of the DNC) insisted on delegates making a choice was to give the fans of the loser time to heal.  He remembers that it took his people THREE MONTHS.  It's just not time yet for Hillary fans to think beyond the grief of losing her as their candidate.  The time will come, but it's not something that can be/or should be rushed, IMO.    


by Anita on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 10:13:24 AM EST
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Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

What I see is movement from

Clinton supporters who say they would vote for McCain
TO
Clinton supporters who say they won't vote

The next step will be--
Clinton supporters who will vote for Obama


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by politicsmatters on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 10:00:10 AM EST

Re: CNN Poll: Whither Democratic Unity? (none / 0)

Exactly. Also my take on these numbers.


by conspiracy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 10:52:51 AM EST
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Agreed. n/t (none / 0)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 11:46:56 AM EST
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Just take a look at Jerome's evote map (none / 0)

These manipulative personality polls reveal nothing. If you want to know who's really ahead count the electoral votes.

Obama leads in some national polls by 10%. He leads substatially in the vital swing states. And he's competetive in some red states that haven't been for decades.

Thanks for the "concern," but peddle it someplace else --  like McBush's website.


by Beren on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 01:05:01 PM EST


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